Showing posts with label blame the victim. Show all posts
Showing posts with label blame the victim. Show all posts

Monday, March 28, 2011

Darwinism At Work

A comment about the disappearance of Jim Dugan, an alumnus, like me, of St. John's College, who hasn't been seen since he and a companion fell into the Mississippi River last week after the dock they were on collapsed:

smeyers02 March 27, 2011 at 5:51AM
Uh, if I fall into a river, I'm not going to just climb out, hug and go home. It's the Mississippi! I'm gonna go to the hospital to make sure I don't have a disease.
My theory? Kelly pushed him in (maybe as a joke?) or he committed suicide and she freaked out. Kelly's story is awfully fishy (pun intended). Mark my words, she did something to this dude. I bet she pushed him in as a "joke" or something because they were both drunk. Either way it was Darwinism at work.
Seriously, who drinks on a pier on the river at 4am? Buh bye. Fish food.
No, but this Kelly girl is gonna be arrested for homicide when all is said and done. She did him in.
 So, in order of appearance, though not necessarily in offensiveness, speculation that Jim killed himself, his companion perjured herself, a pun about the woman's story about a likely dead man, a suggestion that she murdered him, a suggestion that the man's death was "Darwinism at work," and a joke that the man is now "fish food." All in a comment section that is being closely monitored by Jim's friends and family for news about whether he is still alive or will ever be found.

Sunday, February 27, 2011

Jarvis is a Racist

The commenters seems to love to attack Jarvis DeBerry, an African American columnist for the Times Picayune. In particular, because his column frequently discusses race, usually in thoughtful ways, he is called a racist, usually by seeming racists.

Here are some comments to his op-ed about the increase in murders under the new police superintendant:

Saxon Caucasus February 27, 2011 at 7:15AM
Ok Mr. DeBerry, after carefully looking at the victims and the criminals there seems to predominantly be one thing they have in common.
Want to guess what it is?
So..what's YOUR solution? Get Riley back so you can ignore the real problem and blame whitey and the "shadow government"?
amaxe February 27, 2011 at 7:30AM
You're a racist jerk, Jarvis !
The problem is that black kids are getting black kids pregnant and walking away from their responsibility of raising what they made ! Then the poor black kid grows up with NO family, No education, NO father figure, NO future and NO WAY TO LIVE HONESTLY!
They get into drugs and then kill each other.....facts are there !
To blame Serpas or anyone else but the culture is like blaming the weatherman for rain !!!
GROW UP AND FACE THE TRUTH.....IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIRROR !!
Saxon Caucasus February 27, 2011 at 7:43AM
@huffmanjack
Ok fine...we'll ignore Jarvis vaguely disguised criticism/comparison of the white police chief who took over a department that had been very poorly run by african americans. After all, that IS the whole point of this article and most of his writings...find a way to blame whitey.
Like I said..the vast majority of the criminals and the victims seem to have one thing in common. Have you noticed?
 amaxe February 27, 2011 at 7:57AM
As I said before, black kids are knocking up black kids, the baby grows up with no father or family, gets involved with drugs and kills and gets killed!
What's so difficult to understand? The facts speak the truth ! They can't be denied!
There's no racism, just black kids getting killed, DUHHHH!!!
 exneworleanian February 27, 2011 at 7:55AM
Guess Landrieu should have found a black chief, then Jarvis would have had to think up something else to write about... 
pygmalian6 February 27, 2011 at 7:59AM
I have to agree with what amaxe said. To top it off, everyone is afraid of the little gangsters and will not come forward with information to put them away. Why? Because there is very little punishment for crimes committed and these gangsters know that. So do police on the streets because they deal with the same people all of their lives until they're shot dead on the streets or go to prison finally after commiting crimes for years and years and getting away with it. Answer, build more prisons, take away the weight lifting equipment, TV, good food that poor people can't afford to eat, take away the air conditioning, weld the prison cell shut and hose it out daily. Treat them like the animals they are while they're there and maybe they won't be back.
Saxon Caucasus February 27, 2011 at 8:12AM
@huffman jack
I'm not sure what you said in your last post, or your point.
I'm guessing that you're one of the people who says the bad economy is all bush's fault and obama inherited it and he can't fix it overnight and we have to give him a chance..blah...blah...etc...right?
LMAO.
..but the new white police chief is supposed to somehow stop negroes from killing each other immediately or he's a failure...

royrogers February 27, 2011 at 8:47AM
Want to look for a hopeful sign? Look for Jarvis to write a column putting the responibility squarely where it lies. That would be on the families (if you can call them that) and neighborhoods that breed the criminals.
That would be a hopeful sign.

Saturday, February 26, 2011

Ugly People Acting All Poor and Disgusting

Comment to an article about a fatal shooting in Mid-City:

diggingnola February 26, 2011 at 4:04PM

And that is such a nice intersection, you know, with all the plastic furniture on the sidewalk and old ugly men and women sitting around cursing and drinking and talking loud and being all section 8 disgusting.

Thursday, February 24, 2011

Alleged Rape Victim into "Dirty, Dirty Sexcapades"

I have a lot of opinions about reporting on sex crimes cases that most people probably wouldn't share (I think, for instance, that the names of suspects and defendants, like the names of alleged victims, should not be printed until they are convicted) because of my experience working on cases where men have been accused of sex crimes in cases where I know them to be innocent but where nonetheless their reputations suffered greatly, notwithstanding acquittals or dropped charges.

Part of the difficulty about these crimes is that they frequently turn out to be "he said, she said" cases, where it is ultimately a judgment call on the part of police, prosecutors, and, ultimately, juries whether they believe one side of the story or the other.

This seems to be the case in a story being reported in The Times Picayune about a 19 year old woman who alleges that she was gang raped by four men when she was visiting the city from Kentucky for VooDoo Fest. Its a terrible story and, supporting the woman's claim, one of the men involved has already pled guilty to simple rape and will testify against the others.

None of this stopped comments attacking this woman from appearing on the series of stories about the case. This one, posted a day and a half ago, is fairly representative:


om23 February 23, 2011 at 1:57PM

From testimony presented in this article, it sure sounds like the "victim" was a willing participant in some dirty, dirty sexcapades. Apparently she suddenly got some scruples about it, but instead of looking in the mirror, she is blaming the other participants. Like I stated earlier, I'm basing my opinion on the information presented in this article. I was not a fly on the wall. You typically don't giggle, smoke weed in your underwear with, and hug your rapists.

Wednesday, February 23, 2011

Editorial - TIE HER TUBES

There is a good editorial in yesterday's Times Picayune, that follows up on Monday's article about the conditions in Section 8 housing, including rat infestations, that provoked many negative, racist comments.

But a comment to the editorial, which suggests that poor, black women should not be able to have children, takes the cake:

picklepork February 23, 2011 at 8:37AM

First she needs to have her tubes tied. And I bet there were no rats when she moved in.

Monday, February 21, 2011

Animals!

A comment on an article about an African American woman living with her children in a Section 8 home with a terrible rat infestation:

pygmalian8 February 21, 2011 at 10:18AM
If you live like animals, animals are attracted to you.
The article, by the Times Picayune's Katy Reckdahl, possesses the human and relate-able details about the women and her family, that characterize Reckdahl's writing and make the comments seem all the more egregious. It begins:
Samara Egana knew the infestation was out of control when her 5-year-old son Moses told her: "Mama, I just saw a bunny." It was brown, with a long tail, he said. Another rat, she thought.
So, get it, the little boy that mistook the rat for a bunny, he deserves to live in squalor because he is poor.

A number of other comments suggest, like the one pasted below, that the rats provide a needed prod to get this family off the dole:

Dynomoose February 21, 2011 at 9:37AM
I'm not saying that rats are acceptable, but subsidized housing should be uncomfortable enough to encourage those using it to improve their situation so that they can move on.

Saturday, February 19, 2011

Savages in Ivory Coast and New Orleans

Comments to an article about the mass killings that followed the election in Ivory Coast last year:

thetruthhurts00 February 19, 2011 at 12:41PM
Modern day savagery , plain and simple.

thetruthhurts00 February 19, 2011 at 12:47PM
No wonder many Africans look back fondly on the days of Colonization, it was a much more stable period. It truly is a shame because Africa is such a resource rich continent, it's just that the native Africans don't have the mentality to develop and use it to better themselves.
thetruthhurts00 February 19, 2011 at 12:50PM
niklachey February 19, 2011 at 12:43PM
How sad for those poor folks who just wanted a better life.
I know it's a cliche but stories like this remind me of how lucky we are in the US.
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It's not luck, it's the mentality of America's founders and present day majority.
Just like comparing St Tammany to Orleans, it's not luck, it's mentality...
Another commenter, looking for trouble:
rjjoe504 February 19, 2011 at 1:18PM
@thetruthhurts00 What a novel take on the "savagery" of African people. Can you elaborate on their physiological and social differences?
(This should be interesting.)
***
Update:

These folks, who were disgusted at the above comments and others subsequently posted, have the right idea:


TheTippingPoint February 19, 2011 at 1:42PM
I'm not even sure why they allow comments for stories like this.
It just becomes a platform for all of the ignorant racists, that like to spam every article about a black person on NOLA.com, to rant and rave about something that they don't have the slightest idea about.
So sad.
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dninc79 February 19, 2011 at 2:01PM
I agree, T-P should lock articles like this one up from comment, no need to comment, it's not local and it's indeed a platform for ignorance to smear their hate and blind hateful remarks onto, some people know how to read behind the line's, we're a lot more educated than you think.

Friday, February 18, 2011

Lara Logan Is What the Ali Babbas Want

On Wednesday, NOLA.com collected and posted media reports concerning the sexual assault of Lara Logan, the CBS news correspondent who was sexually assaulted while covering the recent protests in Egypt. The story has attracted a lot of attention but there is an emerging meta-story concerning the offensive online comments that the story has provoked, including on NPR.com where a story was published specifically addressing the offensive comments. The NOLA.com post acknowledged these issues obliquely, linking to a story about an NYU Fellow who resigned his position after posting the following tweet, in which he called her a "major war monger":
Lara Logan had to outdo Anderson. Where was her buddy McCrystal . . . I’m rolling my eyes at all the attention she’ll get.
This might make you think that NOLA.com would have been especially aggressive and considered in it moderation of its post about Logan. Nope:

canard February 16, 2011 at 1:59PM
What fools are at CBS news to send a blond blue-eyed American beauty into that mob scene of Muslims !!! that woman represented what everyone of those Ali Babbas want; it is pure managerial negligence to have allowed her to go on that assignment. During the 18 days of that mess, did anyone see one woman in the mobs. Hell no. Most Americans still live in that bubble world; just because one country talks democracy, does not mean that have same values as the West. 

hegelian1971 February 16, 2011 at 2:31PM
She was foolish to think she could go over there and be safe. All the world is not as safe as your garden variety suburban mall. In the absence of governmental control, crazy, lawless behavior becomes the norm and she became a target.
Sham-- you are crazy if you think you are entitled to be safe anywhere you go. "Blaming the victim" for not using common sense is completely justified. I dont roam about where it is known to be unsafe after dark. That is called common sense... O sure, I can take the moral highground later, while in the hospital recovery room (if I am that lucky)--and i would then agree with other people, with common sense that I should not have gone there...when I knew IN ADVANCE that it wasnt safe. The perps were still wrong for what they did-- but I was an IDIOT for stepping in the line of fire. Take your Pollyanna mindset to the Disney website-- we're talking reality here.
 Dynomoose February 16, 2011 at 3:04PM
what a horrible story. Unfortunately, it is also illustrative of how many Muslim men view women. 

lesliec February 17, 2011 at 6:19PM
THESE pple are fighting for freedom and have the blazzin gaul to rape a woman publically? I am really starting to believe all these mid eastern peace-loving-muslims are real animals who wouldn't know what freedom is or how to use it. so sad.....god save the US
Responding to a suggestion from another user that he was blaming the victim, hegelian1971 responded:

hegelian1971 February 16, 2011 at 3:25PM
I guess only your view of free speech should be protected huh?
Realize Sham, that the world-- the whole great big world has billions of people on it, and many are under nourished and desperate--financially. We (America) have become a lightning rod for revolutionaries to attack in order to gain popularity amongst their people who wish to throw off the latest form theft--we'll call it neo-colonialism. So, many in the crowd may have thought she was pretty, and had a chance to take advantage of a lawless situation to fulfill their disgusting urges to rape a woman. Others may have seen it as a way to send a message to the world, and namely, the USA-- so she was brutalized --which symbolized their disgust for our nation and its unflinching alliance with Israel. Either way-- whatever the motivation-- she was in an unsafe place, grossly outnumbered.
I dont go on the African Safari and get out of my car to take up close pictures of wild beasts. Men, acting with complete disregard for the law behave wildly-- and she put herslef in a bad situation and got hurt. She probably wont do that again. The men who did it are guilty of rape and should be punished... I dont know what your problem is with me saying they are wrong for doing that to her and she is wrong for putting herself in a dangerous situation. 
He followed up, with the following "joke":

hegelian1971 February 16, 2011 at 3:30PM
Doesnt matter if Muslim, Christian, athiest-- men have raped women for eons... its wrong, always. Let's not let this story affect our opinion of muslims...rather it should be a learning experience... female reporters who dont have a large group protecting them-- and/or a trusty firearm with them should NOT enter into dangerous situations.... period.
A climate controlled studio with makeup, and red lipstick works just as well.
After reading all these comments, one user expressed pure despair:

hellofriend February 17, 2011 at 8:26PM
Some of you are Pigs! You know who you are and I hope you are not on the jury for my trial. This is why alot of women don't speak up, their worried about pigs like you being on the jury!

***
Because I don't want to lump Nir Rosen, who made the stupid twitter comment, in with the nasty anonymous commenters at NOLA.com, I wanted to give a link to his apologia on Salon. I respect a man that says he's sorry.

Monday, February 14, 2011

15-Year-Old Girl is a "School Whore"

Another commenter who, as with the previous post, likes calling women "whores":
your daughter is a school whore get over it!!!

The comment was posted yesterday to this year old article:

Destrehan High School incident leads to sexual-battery arrest

Published: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 8:30 PM
By Matt Scallan, The Times-Picayune 
An 18-year-old St. Rose man, who allegedly exposed himself and inappropriately touched a 15-year-old girl in a Destrehan High School classroom while a video was being shown, has been booked with sexual battery and molestation of a juvenile, according to the St. Charles Parish Sheriff's Office.

Ramon A. Vinnett, 467 Fourth St., St. Rose, was booked on Friday, Sheriff's Office spokesman Capt. Pat Yoes said.

He was released Monday on a $15,000 bond.

The comments got pretty heated and a parent of the girl involved took great offense at one of the first comments. Maybe NOLA.com should have given this girl the courtesy that they pay the daughters of New Orleans' elites and turned off the comments. I have pasted some of the exchange below:


ITIZMEAGAIN November 18, 2009 at 8:40PM

Why is an 18 year old even in high school with a 15 year old anyway? Did he just make 18 years old. He should not have classes with a 15 year old. Sometimes these little girls cry and it is not the truth this day an age when they get caught, then these boys are messed up for life. I hope everything turns out alright. My heart goes out to both parties because you just do not know. PLEASE BE FAIR!!!!!!

hardmoney November 19, 2009 at 10:16PM

I TAKE OFFENCE BY THE COMMENT THEY MUST BE IN SPECIAL ED IF THEY ARE 18 STILL IN SCHOOL WITH A 15 YR OLD... THE TRUTH IS I HAVE NOT ONE CHILD BUT 2 CHILDREN THAT WILL BE 19 WHEN THEY GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL AND THERE IS NOTHING SPECIAL ED ABOUT THEM INFACT THEY ARE VERY BRIGHT AND SMART YOUNG PPL WITH HONOR ROLL AND PRINCIPAL LIST TO PROVE IT...
NOW I WILL SAY I DONT AGREE WITH WHAT HE DID HOWEVER WHEN KIDS ARE IN SCHOOL THERE ARE MORE THINGS THAT YOU AND I WILL NEVER KNOW THAT HAPPENS... AND WE ARE NOT SURE OF THE WHOLE STORY AS TO WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED....
hardmoney November 19, 2009 at 10:17PM

THAT WAS FOR TRAVELING MAN
INTEARSANDFEAR November 20, 2009 at 4:29PM

itizmeagain
How dare you,You have no idea as to what has happened and how much this family has gone through in the last few days,And for you to make this horrible complement,makes me SICK.This is my daughter and if you think she did wrong,than i challange you to let your daughter hang with this man.She did nothing wrong but sit in class!!!!!
and her nor no other person should have to go through what she has gone through no matter what age.
You make ne SICK!!!!!
INTEARSANDFEAR November 20, 2009 at 4:19PM

Hay Stupid You have no clue as to what happened and no PERSON no matter what age should have to go through what my daughter has went through.
ITIZMEAGAIN November 18, 2009 at 10:52PM

niklachey: Thank you, I could not have explained it better.


adynomoose November 19, 2009 at 1:31AM

sleazy, an 18 year old HS student playing grab a$$ with a 15 year old HS student is not a child molester.
INTEARSANDFEAR November 20, 2009 at 4:11PM

You do not know the story so SHUT YOUR MOUTH!!!!!!!!!!
INTEARSANDFEAR November 20, 2009 at 5:18PM

This is my daughter you people are talking about.
You people donot think my family has enough to deal with,You people do not know but a tiny bit of the story and yet you are judging.HOW DARE YOU!!!!
Shame on you people that think nothing of a child and a family going through this problem,and we have to see the hatefull smart a** remarks you people are saying.NO ONE AT ANY AGE should have to go through what my daughter and the rest of the family are going through.
How can you people play Judge and Jury and you do not even know what has happened?
This is one reason I hate ST.Charles parish so much,because of the stupid people that live here(Not all but quite a few)
They would rather throw trash out on the highway,rape and kill people,Steal from each other,shoot each other and most of all protect criminals (its always the victums fault no matter what) What is wrong with you people??????? Why don't you clean up this place and make it a place people want to live!
Protect our children teach them right from wrong!!!
Get a LIFE people.

Here is the comment that StRoseLa was responding to:

INTEARSANDFEAR November 20, 2009 at 4:09PM

How dare you This is my daughter,
And i promise you one more word from your STUPID mouth and I will file charges.

StRoseLA February 11, 2011 at 7:44PM

your daughter is a school whore get over it!!!

Here is a comment from a user with a similar name to StRoseLa, proposing that the 15 year old girl was "asking for it":

strose504 March 19, 2010 at 7:27PM

Ok, so this guy does live across the street from me and I dont know him very well, but I think that yall have the picture painted wrong. Ramon is a very nice and well liked person around here. He has plenty of friends both male and female and I have never seen him act out like that. Have yall ever thought that maybe they were flirting with one another and he just exposed himself and they got caught? The little girl is only 15yrs old, so yeah, make him look like the one who is in the wrong because she don't want her parents to know that she is sexually active. Don't you think that she would be scared to tell her parents that she was sexually active, so she made it look like it was all his doing? You have to put yourself in both persons shoes. Girls these days are starting early and too scared to let their parents know what is going on. Don't think just for one minute that he just exposed himself in such a manner and she wasn't asking for it. I'm almost 100% sure that this little girl was flirting with him and they just so happened to get caught!!! This is why parents should have understandings with their children. Dont scare them! Talk to them! Now his entire future may be ruined while she's out there still doing the same thing!

Sunday, February 13, 2011

Razor

NOLA.com appears to have removed the account of a user named Razor61, who charmingly referred to an African American woman who is a defendant in a theft case as a "crack whore," but no worries, he simply registered Razor60 (one can only presume) and is able to make this meaningful observation about a triple shooting in the Desire neighborhood:


razor60 February 13, 2011 at 7:00PM

weather is warming up and the next batch of cockroaches and leeches are hatching !!

Friday, February 11, 2011

If you had been at work you'd still be alive . . .

A generous and thoughtful comment to a news brief on NOLA.com about a murder this morning, at 11:30 a.m., in New Orleans East:


LilWeeziana February 11, 2011 at 12:58PM

Why are you even available to get shot at 11:30am? Perhaps if you sought gainful employment you would be working at this time of day instead of getting shot at. #justsayin
Here was the story:


One confirmed dead in eastern New Orleans double shooting


Published: Friday, February 11, 2011, 11:55 AM Updated: Friday, February 11, 2011, 12:12 PM
Someone was shot and killed and another person was shot and injured this morning in eastern New Orleans, police said.
The shooting happened about 11:30 a.m. in the 7400 block of Woodbine Street, police said.
No other details were immediately available.
Stay with NOLA.com for information as it becomes available.

Turns out that the shootings happened at 11:30 p.m., as was reported in a more complete story a couple of hours later, and that two men were shot, one fatally, while allegedly burglarizing the home of the person that shot them. There are no less than ten comments to that story celebrating the death of the one man and bemoaning the fact that the other lived. Here are a few examples:

LilWeeziana February 11, 2011 at 1:01PM

GOOD RIDANCE!

broadmoorlawyer February 11, 2011 at 1:03PM

way to go resident, good riddance!
nawlinsdude February 11, 2011 at 1:07PM

Nice job, homeowner.
Mr. Brown February 11, 2011 at 1:08PM

Let us all Sing and Dance!
This is most certainly Good News!!
Criminals are so non-Classy!
rayfromuptn February 11, 2011 at 1:09PM

This is really a shame.... that the other burglar wasn't killed too.

kamar February 11, 2011 at 1:22PM

The resident needs additional training. A more skilled shooter would not have let a witness survive to possibly sue the victim.

Offshoretechman February 11, 2011 at 1:40PM

Yep, It's a shame the homeowner did not kill them both sorry to say, this could possibly come back on him.
I was working in Lake Charles quite a few years ago and a man was woken in the middle of the night to find his work truck (electrician ) was being robbed, he shot both outside his home and went scott free no questions asked due to this was his lively hood and he was protecting it....GOOD DEAL !!!
Come into my home and you will not make it out to come back on me...................................
This one combines the celebration of death with a healthy dose of racist innuendo:


seafoodgumbo February 11, 2011 at 1:37PM

Nice shooting there homeowner, lettum come back for more of the same. About time the tables get turned,....next time Leroy asks for a bro to go with him to burglarize another homeowner, his crack pards might have second thoughts......hhhmmmm $5 crack for a 9mm bullet, do the math.

Friday, February 4, 2011

ManyCantReadWriteandDoCalc

NOLA.com has a listing of it top commenters over the past week, trying to use user comments to drum up traffic.

Here is the current list:

Most Active Users


Users with the most NOLA.com comments in the last 7 days
BigGovtMule BigGovtMule
muspench muspench
Bovine Substance Bovine Substance
dninc79 dninc79
ManyCantReadWriteandDoCalc ManyCantRead...

The last username, ManyCantReadWriteandDoCalc, drew my attention so I clicked his username to go to his profile, which shows no activity at all. (Actually, I kept looking and found his comments here.) But due to the wonders of google (and NOLA.com's search function), I was able to find a few of the posts from a user that NOLA.com is promoting:

ManyCantReadWriteandDoCalc January 15, 2011 at 6:02PM
With respect to the servers at a decent restaurant I used to manage, I can tell you they will flat out refuse to work a table with black diners unless we allocate one per server. It is looked at like a penalty to them. Otherwise, they told us, they would never make anything. And with respect to racism, the problem is that 1/3 of the servers were black and felt the same way as the white servers. Both black and white servers said the black diners treated them rudely, ran them back and forth for stuff all the time, taking away from the time they could spend at other tables (and earn good tips), and if the food had any little issue the black diners either wanted it for free or wanted to get a substantial discount. Of course, the servers stated they also like to complain a lot as well, which again, takes up time they could spend on tables that will give them a fair or better tip. This is not coming from me, this is coming from our servers, both BLACK and white, so there must be some truth to this.
Then there are the customers. At a high end restaurant that I used to manage, we had patrons that would complain or cancel their reservations upon arrival if the place looked too ghetto. This is not from me, this is coming from them. They have an expectation that a high end restaurant should not have many black diners, otherwise it is going down. They want to eat in a comfortable dining environment at a high end restaurant. One frequent customer pulled me aside and told us that he was coming to a restaurant with his wife and that he was going to throw down at least $200-300 between the steak and lobster dinners and the drinks they usually order, they wanted a better atmosphere and that they would expect better than an I-HOP or an AppleBees. He said he did not want to worry about keeping his hand on his wallet or having to watch his wife’s purse. What could we do? We can’t tell the customer he is a racist - we still have to make money. We accommodated him by putting him in a more secluded area away . . .
Another time we had seated a large party of black diners at our establishment and they were very loud, rude, laughing out loud and hollering; it sounded like a project party in there. Several of our other frequent and very well spending diners made complaints and we offered to pay for their meals but they instead left because they said they could not hear themselves speak. Not only did we lose revenue from the departing diners, but the black diners complained about the prices and kept asking what was free and what was not free and they basically took over our entire restaurant like locusts. They just killed our Saturday night. Of course, the tips were mere pennies. And when we tried to speak with them about the minimal gratuity, they just scurried out of there, leaving all the servers with no tips whatsoever.
These are just experiences, and maybe black diners do not act this way in other states and other cities, but it just seems in our metro area this is the norm. . . . I don’t know, anyone else have a clue why this is?
 http://www.nola.com/business/index.ssf/2011/01/mississippi_restaurant_manager/2309/comments-9.html

ManyCantReadWriteandDoCalc January 29, 2011 at 8:55PM
The problem is that they do not look at a person's education, qualifications, and competence to determine who they interview. First thing HR at the federal level does is throw out all applications belonging to white males. You can guess what their next move is with respect to calling applicants for interviews.
I had an interview at the Department of Agriculture and it was an absolute joke. I nailed every question the interviewer asked and I knew he was going through the motions. I should have asked him why he was wasting my time. I have worked as a contractor and many many times had to do the jobs of federal workers who were getting paid really well but had no idea of what the job they were supposed to do.
I also had an interview with the IRS on Poydras. That was a joke as well. The people interviewing me were a joke.
Then I had a interview with HUD. The lady was wearing a scarf on her head and I almost asked her to make me pancakes. What a joke this country has become. We pay these morons hundreds of thousands of dollars and they are not even qualified to interview for the positions much less get the jobs.
 http://www.nola.com/business/index.ssf/2011/01/reader_comment_irresponsible_l/2309/comments-2.html

ManyCantReadWriteandDoCalc January 31, 2011 at 8:40PM
I refuse to recognize him as my president, or a president of this country. He is a Muslim. He is a fraud. He is a joke. I don't visit my relatives in Europe because they constantly ask me where did we get this guy. They state that the US used to be a great country and we have elected this fool to lead us into oblivion. I agree with them. I am so ashamed that many of us were fooled.
He is supported by those that want to leach off of those of us that are working each and every day while many of the welfare recipients are saying,"oh, we love Obama." I guess you do, and so do the illegals.
Just remember that if you overfill the life raft all of us drown, even you.
http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/01/hawaii_bill_would_give_anyone/5520/comments-newest.html

ManyCantReadWriteandDoCalc January 17, 2011 at 9:52PM
I'll bet when you were a kid, you were so ugly your mother had to tie a pork chop around your neck just to get the dog to play with you.
Whereas, you would likely ask, can we please let this anger go and talk about our history, talk about our problems?
That's what we doing, Jack. Every time we talk, we can't, cause somebody gotta, just GOTTA, throw the race card. If I had me a dollar every time that card was played, I'd be having some millions, Jack.
Why not ride down I-55 for some fun?
http://www.nola.com/business/index.ssf/2011/01/mississippi_restaurant_manager/2309/comments-newest.html

ManyCantReadWriteandDoCalc February 03, 2011 at 8:48PM
Why should I vote to renew this tax when I have to pay for my kids to go to private school because these schools all produce stupid kids!!!!!
I have to pay twice, once to the School Board and then again to the private school.
People are going to vote no on the renewal and instead of worrying about a union this crew may be handed pink slips. Again, a total lack of understanding of the climate in today's economy.
http://www.nola.com/education/index.ssf/2011/02/jefferson_school_board_nullifi.html


ManyCantReadWriteandDoCalc January 15, 2011 at 8:22PM
This is why we sold our house (before Dale Atkins screwed up the property records) and then relocated our business out of the parish as well. We never go through Orleans Parish due to the extreme violence and the fact that the judges let all of the murderers off with a slap on the wrist. We spend a lot of our time convincing friends to move out of Orleans Parish and relocate their businesses from there as well. We never buy gas, groceries, or anything in Orleans Parish so that they cannot jam us with a camera or parking ticket. If there is an event we want to go to in Orleans Parish we just do not go. We have done so because we feel the conditions in Orleans Parish are unacceptable. The other thing as people like us move our residences and our businesses, so too does our tax base, our sales taxes, and our property taxes. Until we see a true leader in the City, and judges that will do their job instead of being paid off by violent drug dealing criminal murderers, we refuse to have anything to do with Orleans Parish. A place where you have to have a gun in one hand and another on your wallet is just not worth living in.
http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/01/reader_comment_city_nickles_an/5520/comments-newest.html

ManyCantReadWriteandDoCalc January 23, 2011 at 11:59AM
If we are going to have specific schools like SUNO and Southern University Law Center for blacks, then we need to set also set up separate schools for Italians, Hispanics, Packistani's, Indians, and Vietmanese.
ITALUNO, HISPUNO, PACKUNO, INDUNO, and VIETUNO???!!!!
If we are going to be partially stupid, we need to be consistent about it and set up additional schools for all the other ethnicities out there.
Since we do not have the money for it, shut down both SUNO campuses and the Southern University Law Center down and let the students apply to UNO and LSU Law School.
Let their staff apply to jobs and be assessed for their skills and the best ones get to keep their jobs based on technical ability and competence, not based on diversity and political pressure.
Let's face the obvious, a degree from SUNO and or Southern University Law Center is not respected and is not accepted as a REAL degree by people in the professional world. Both systems had scandals where administrators routinely changed the grades in the system for both compensation as well as for purposes of insuring that people of a particular ethnic background passed the courses. Both of those schools had rampant fraud as well.
The other thing is that if you are not AA, you better not even think about going to Southern University Law Center because they will fail you out just based on the fact that those graduation slots are reserved for students of a particular ethnic background.
http://www.nola.com/education/index.ssf/2011/01/talk_of_merging_suno_and_uno_h/5782/comments-newest.html

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I found a couple more that seemed worth posting on his NOLA.com profile:
Look, with all the problems New Orleans has, the coroner's office is the least of the problems.
Who cares if he gets the autopsies right? Most of those killed are drug dealer thugs anyway, so who is really hurt here?
We cannot continue to support all of these illegals.
If your family was starving, would you take food from them to give to the family down the block? No you fool, you would feed your family first. Can we try that? Can we just try it?
To all of you that support immigration, can we just have a break for about 20 years and let us get our country back to order? Huh, is that asking so much?
If I mowed your law for free for the last 50 years and then asked you if I could take a break for 20 years, would you let me? Especially if I had been doing it for free for the past 50 years?
People, we cannot support all of Mexico and Central America. We don't have the money anymore. We have enough deadbeats that are actual citizens; we don't need to look for more outside our borders . . . .
I am so embarrassed to have this guy as a president. How on earth did he even get voted in? How come he was even allowed on the ballot if there was so much confusion about whether he was legally allowed to be president? Our country is the joke of the world. He is totally clueless and will lead us to ruin. So much hard work to be undone by a Muslim spy.





Wednesday, January 26, 2011

He had it coming

The very first comment, to an article about a Central City murder victim:

LaTuTu January 25, 2011 at 8:15PM
Sorry to say..his record speaks volumes, guilty or not. He was a "bad dude" and he "got, got"...Condolence to his family may he R.I.P.
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Apparently, the 14 year old shot in the butt on Annette Street on Friday also had it coming (I see a theme developing):

LaTuTu January 21, 2011 at 8:58PM
Annette Street is bad news...maybe he is a drug runner...
mickcarter60 January 22, 2011 at 3:34AM
well latutu Annette St. is bad news...if the young man dont learn from this your next comment will read, maybe he (was) a drug runner...
On the same article is a comment that is also familiar to anyone who reads the comments - a mocking, hateful comment about violence in our city and "keeping the brand out there" (a reference to one of Mayor Nagin's more ridiculous statements about New Orleans):

tanneeka January 22, 2011 at 9:39AM
my bros keeping the brand out there......i is tanneeka from the 9th ward ....word!!!!!!!!!!

Wednesday, January 19, 2011

8 Killed in Fire in Abandoned Ninth Ward Building

I decided to start this blog, following years of hand wringing about how terrible the comments were are NOLA.com (while NOLA.com did very little to address the problem), after reading some of the vile comments to stories about the eight homeless kids who, along with their dogs, died in a warehouse fire on December 28. This was the deadliest fire in New Orleans in decades, taking the lives of eight people in their teens and twenties, and yet the comments to the articles about the fire mocked the victims of this tragedy, calling them "criminals," "dysfunctionals," "middle class white kids playing dress-up as vagrants," "loser white kids," "beyond stupid and hope," "shiftless bums," "crusties, or gutter punks, or angry mid western kids who are mad at their parents." One commenter suggested that they smelled so badly that they would be kicked out of homeless shelters:
Please don't bother trying to get them to go to the homeless shelters. The legitimately homeless crowd wouldn't tolerate the smell. The best thing to do is to run them out of the city, and KEEP them out.
I recall another comment, now removed, that said that the real tragedy was that the dogs died.

But the overall thrust of the comments was the the kids were trash who somehow deserved to die.

In the same comments section, there were posts from grieving family and friends, many of whom confronted the comments directly and tried to defend the basic humanity of the victims of this terrible fire, a task required of them in a time of grief because of the lack of effective moderation, combined with a general policy that requires constant and aggressive moderation, on NOLA.com.

An article on the website Coilhouse summed up some of my feelings after reading the comments:
What’s really fucking with me is the response of “concerned citizens” who callously voiced their opinions about the kids who died with nasty comments on a local news site. I should know better than to ever read that shit, because it’s usually horrifying, and makes me feel very sad for humanity. It got under my skin, though – these people basically saying “good riddance to gutterpunks” and that they got what they deserved for choosing to live the way they lived. Unbelievable, and so sad, that people would respond to the accidental deaths of eight young people with such vitriol. . . . Here’s a couple comments from the thread which address it better than I can:
“You just assume that because they were squatting they don’t have jobs, but a lot of these kids do work. They do bike delivery in the quarter or wash dishes or tend bar. They travel a lot, so often they don’t tie themselves down to a lease. They sleep on the couches of friends or in abandoned buildings. It may not be your choice of lifestyle, but it’s not malicious and it’s not lazy. It’s just different. Their lives matter just as much as yours or mine. Grow a heart and some perspective.”
and
“Every human deserves a warm place to sleep and healthy food. I didn’t know those kids well, but I knew that they were working on that building, that they had built lofts and had made more improvements to that structure then who ever owned had in years. They weren’t homeless – that was their home and it burned down and its a goddamn tragedy anyway you write it down, and if you think otherwise you are a cruel person who needs to go back to whatever godforsaken suburb you crawled out of and stay there.”
Goddamn right.
The bold was not in the original but instead is highlighted to reflect the sense of civic disgust that many NOLA.com comments evoke.

I posted a comment to one of the stories, exasperated at the heartlessness of the posters:
I find it stunning that people post on stories on NOLA.com as if the friends and parents of the victims of tragedies like this fire will not read them.
To anyone reading this who cares about these poor kids who died in our city yesterday, know that the city's heart goes out to you, that the nasty comments here do not reflect the views of people who live here but instead embittered, craggy old men and women who abandoned the city decades ago, and that these kids fit right in here - a city that has always embraced people who saw the world in their own way and wanted to live differently - and are mourned.
I can see no reason why, when the comments section on a story become overwhelmingly offensive and out of control, NOLA.com doesn't just exercise good judgment and shut the comments down?

***

I found a couple of comments, from a user with the name apperception, who knew one of the victims, Nicole Pack, (who was identified in this story) that I thought I would add to this post, if only to reflect the depth of the pain that he suffered in viewing the slander of his dead friend that he read on NOLA.com:
KenvonT, up until now, it's just been too hard to even review the comments, let alone reply. It barely seems worth it. Nikki's family and friends have warned me against even reading them. Because on some level, sure, these people have no idea: I can't wrap my head around anyone who would belittle the death of another human being, so I'm so tempted to just write them off as pathetic detritus and reach for people with the capacity for love in their heart.
The thing is, I know Nikki wouldn't give a crap about people talking smack on her behind her back. If they wanted to say anything, they could say it to her face, and I know damned well that half the folks talking ill of the dead here would quake in fear at the prospect of doing so.
These are sad and lonely people, for all of their money and social privilege, who speak ill here. Nikki would pity them. I try so hard to not let them get to me. We're all suffering, friend. Not all of us take as a point to take time away from loving people around us to speak ill of the departed, faceless, on a message board. I'm sorry for your losses, too. I'm sorry for the losses this town, this world, has experienced... I'm even sorrier for those who don't see it.


This second one seems to be a pretty clear invitation to a beat down, which I suspect the anonymous commenter did not take him up on, but which I suspect was justified:
Hey, friend.
I'm in NOLA right now.
So is Nikki's family. Nikki is a veteran, and her mother's deployment to Afghanistan was delayed to to the DEATH OF HER DAUGHTER.
But if you'd like to air your grievances in person, or your petty parenting critiques, we'd both like to speak to you, I'm sure. It would maybe allow you to get things off your chest so they won't appear anonymously on an internet forum.
My personal email is apperception@gmail.com
My phone number is 412-849-7023: Please, feel free to send me a text so we can talk about this in person. It seems your opinions matter very much to you, more than the lives of other people, even, so I'm welcoming this opportunity to talk it out.
Take care,
A loved one of many of the victims.


I like that he posted his email address and phone number. It breaks through the anonymity of the forum and confronts the comments as a human being, not just an internet avatar. If everyone was required to post with their real telephone number or email address (or any identifying information), I am sure that the amount of offensive and hateful comments would drop by 95%.

Saturday, January 15, 2011

Lower Ninth

This guy seems upset that The Times Picayune doesn't state the race of the people alleged to be involved in this double murder (thanks Ethan):

MeKnOwNoThInG January 15, 2011 at 1:15PM

cant wait till someone makes a remark that they are some of our finest typical new orleans thugs (citizens) first words will be that they havent mentioned race (like we dont know). we see this all the time and then some other news site posts their pics and the in defense and in denial bunch have nothing else to say except parting words like "racists and or "hater"
WOW what a reason to murder people because you mad dawgged them.. lol lol lol 99% of the murders dont even have anything to do with drugs its mostly stupid arguments. yeah takes a ton of mentality to blast someone because of the way they looked at another....
fits the term savage not animals as animals dont act like savages... lol
lets see they will blame the media for reporting the story.. then they blame nola because they reported it.. yup shhhhh deny it --- ignore it -- shhhh it will go away if they do that..
next come blame someone or something else.. oh my no no no dont blame themselves naaaaa
its a conspiracy against them..
ok excuses will fly..... strange that every day/night on every news site we see the same people doing 80+% of all the crimes and murders but if 1 white person or 1 asian or 1 latino J-walks they never let it go...
2 sicko wack punk kids go into columbine and murder kids and we hear about it till the cows come home....
but in chicago 508 school kids are shot in a 16 month period and 25 of them die and its
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
and in other cities they have the same complaints.. philly calls it killadelphia we call NO bagdad on the bayou.... baltimore calls it murdermore.. geezzee not long ago they were bragging about newark,nj ahhhh read that news site now....
and St. louis and detroit,,, all thse places think they are the only ones with the same people doing all the same stuff....
and yes there the same types who vent their anger that its in the news and they call anyone who tells the truth all the same childish names as we see here..
and its soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo easy
just dont do this stuff and there wont be anything to report on.....
In fact, he seems so upset that after NOLA.com removed the original comment that appeared at 10:25 a.m., he just reposted it at 1:15 p.m. (The 10:25 a.m. post is still on his user profile. I am assuming that it was removed but that is a (perhaps optimistic) guess.) The 1:15 post is still up, suggesting that NOLA.com's moderation, even when it successfully catches and deletes offensive content, is inadequate.

In any event, meknownothing found a receptive audience:

surchargecognitive January 15, 2011 at 11:47AM

meknownothing, you're right. animals are much better than these pieces of excrement. ignolent. that's what they are -- they are ignorant and violent. ignolent. new word. let's use it.
Another commenter made clear that meknownothing's rant was (barely) coded racism:


newilson1 January 15, 2011 at 2:19PM
Also "thugs" has become the new code word for blacks by certain internet trolls. Stop speaking in Codes. Say what you really mean.
Having found encouragement, meknownothing offered more enlightened analysis on the interrelated ills of urban crime and poverty, comparing witnesses to police violence "roaches," calling the people who attended Magnolia Shorty's funeral "a plague," and referring to people in high crime neighborhoods "savages":

MeKnOwNoThInG January 15, 2011 at 2:24PM

fire the cops????? do you actually think the police can stop any crime? the police are like the trashmen-- the trash is picked up and more is put out... you would have to have an officer assigned to every person to make even a dent. its NOT the police its the citizens.. and its NOT the judges,DA,or any of them. the JURY is made up of the citizens picked for jury duty. they are the ones who say
i know his mama and hes a good boy/girl ........ he/she dated my child and i know he/she is innocent....
its stuff like that that sets them free back on the streets.... the DA works to get a case without it being flimsy evidence and not 1 person comes forward...
heres what i mean..............
theres a drive by shooting and 2 people are shot and a small child is killed........... not 1 person saw ANYTHING.............

the same thugs do the same crime and the police give chase and the 1 thugs shots back at the police and the police shoot and kill him

people from all over come out of the wood work like roaches to tell their version of how the police murdered that innocent man... they never gave him a chance.. they shot him down like a dog.... he never had a weapon...
and ya wonder why the police are afraid to do anything.. just look at the recent funeral of magnolia shorty the people you saw at that funeral are the plague thats on the street making every neighborhood a crime ridden hell hole but the same one who call the police names love these savages and defend them...
take this in note here a my space account of one who has 7 to 10 AK-47'S -- http://www.myspace.com/calliopepoolou3
click on that--- click his pic-- then click on the pic set named HOOD select pic set #2 why does this guy need that many AK-47'S???????
I have seen some bad things happen in this city and have worries and anxieties about raising a family here in a place with so many challenges but the real problems that we face are far less demoralizing than the shrill, heartless, and cynical rants that you must suffer just to read the news.

Tuesday, January 11, 2011

8 Year Old Victim

I sometimes cut and paste stories, including the comments, from NOLA.com when I am particularly disgusted or disturbed by the comments, to preserve my horror.

In 2009, there was a story that appeared on NOLA.com about an eight year old who was shot, along with two others, in New Orleans:
An 8-year-old boy and two other males were shot Tuesday night in West Carrollton, police said.
The shooting occurred shortly before 9 p.m. in the 1700 block of Monroe Street, near Green Street, New Orleans Police Officer Garry Flot said.
The 8-year-old was shot in the arm and had a graze wound to the knee. One of the other people shot was hit in the foot and the other was shot in the thigh, Flot said. Information about their ages was not available immediately.
After the story went up, the following comment appeared:
Posted by gonzap1 on 03/17/09 at 10:46PM
no need for cameras..just let them kill each other.
I was horrified at the suggestion that we should "just let them," including an eight year old, "kill each other," and notified NOLA.com, using their "Inappropriate? Alert us." link but the comment remained up for some time, at least through the night. (I do not recall it being removed at all but it is no longer there.)

But looking back at the comments now, almost two years ago, there are a number still up that are just as bad:
comradeobama (posted March 18, 2009 at 12:23AM)
Same old story
Same type people
Same outcome
Oh Well

jarrodw4031 (posted March 18, 2009 at 8:27AM)
We need white leadership and black flight.

ellno (posted March 18, 2009 at 9:10AM)
newtonawlins,
Kudos on the mentoring. That's a noble thing to do.
The sad part is that while you're mentoring, the black population of New Orleans is using its political advantage to prevent any meaningful solutions to the problem. Their only answer is more money, but their track record proves that money in the hands of pandering democratic politicians is a tool for evil rather than good.
And others focus the blame on the victims and their families:
trulyamazing (posted March 18, 2009 at 8:11AM)
First of all, an 8 year old has no business playing outside at 9pm no matter what type of neighborhood you live in. An 8 year old should be bathe, fed, and in bed asleep at that time. I'm pretty sure the parent/parents are aware that they don't live in Mayberry, but STILL, they allow the child to play at that time of night. Charge the breeders with NEGLECT and make them go to WORK to pay the hospital bill. I'm almost certain they are unemployed, otherwise, the child would be inside preparing for the next day with them. I sure as heck don't want to pay for their inadequate parenting.

Attacking Victims

One of my concerns with the lack of moderation of NOLA.com's comments is that I know, from personal experience, that the people involved in news stories, including crime victims, read the comments, which appear immediately after the story and get almost equal footing with the journalist's work.

There are a couple of classic examples on NOLA.com currently, concerning comments made by the mother of a murder victim, where the suspect was not prosecuted and is now charged with manslaughter for killing an eighteen year old woman in a recent car accident. Here is the relevant part of the story, by Laura Maggi:
Before he was booked with manslaughter for the car crash that ended the life of an 18-year-old New Orleans woman on Friday, Edward Augustine had twice been arrested in murder cases that were rejected by prosecutors.

In both cases, one in Orleans Parish and another in Jefferson Parish, prosecutors cited witness problems as a main reason for not bringing him to trial.

For Shawn Williams, the mother of 17-year-old Aaron Merlin Williams, the lack of witnesses was perplexing, because her son was killed during the day on a Saturday in December 2007. She heard that as many as 20 young people were on Tullis Drive at the time Aaron Williams was killed. Also, a young woman was wounded in the altercation.

But the family heard from prosecutors that even that woman refused to come to court, Williams said.

"I know one thing: I know my faith in the justice system is not like it was," she said. "It is a failing system. It really does need a serious overhaul."
But the commenters immediately attacked Ms. Williams, who will no doubt read these comments if she goes online:


dirtydma (posted January 10, 2011 at 9:16PM):

"I know one thing: I know my faith in the justice system is not like it was," she said. "It is a failing system. It really does need a serious overhaul."
What an incredibly ignorant statement. Try blaming the cowards that watched your son get murdered.


Jimmy Johns (posted January 10, 2011 at 9:45PM):

"I know one thing: I know my faith in the justice system is not like it was," she said. "It is a failing system. It really does need a serious overhaul."
A classic ignoramus statement if I ever heard one. News flash lady: Prosecutors can't force witnesses to do the right thing and without witnesses, you more than likely don't have a case. If these people want this insanity to end and make the justice system actually work for them, then this "don't snitch" b/s needs to end.

***

These are comments about a woman grieving the loss of her son and the senselessness of the fact that the man who she believes killed him was subsequently responsible for the deaths of others (a fact that I do not assume is true but which she understandably believes).

The clear thrust of the comments, like many comments on NOLA.com, is that the murder victims from poor communities are contemptible and ultimately accountable for the crimes that befall them and their loved ones. The underlying racism and classism that affords these victims zero sympathy, even mothers and families of victims, because they are assumed to be poor minorities.